tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4648435619736920024.post3105150495151369001..comments2023-12-30T21:36:06.425+00:00Comments on Put up with rain: The Public CentipedePut Up With Rainhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02293737831040832903noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4648435619736920024.post-29834683230543487212015-01-25T10:19:13.873+00:002015-01-25T10:19:13.873+00:00Hello, I enjoyed this post, it needed saying and h...Hello, I enjoyed this post, it needed saying and has needed saying regularly for 15 years because archaeology doesn't listen. There are public historians, you evidently are one of them, and your fellow enthusiasts include a great swathe of the population from genealogists to treasure seekers, place historians to preservationists, collectors to field walkers and of course lots of bloggers and also public archaeologists. I hope your posts on history and also archaeology continue to appear, I'm off now to James's site to arm wrestle with 'public archaeology'. All best wishes, BrianAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4648435619736920024.post-57118199063536510682015-01-15T15:01:18.817+00:002015-01-15T15:01:18.817+00:00I read an interesting thing the other night about ...I read an interesting thing the other night about Time Team. I know, I know, 'bloody Time Team' says virtually every archaeologist I've ever met... What made it interesting was one of the reasons that C4 decommissioned what had been a terrifically popular piece of TV, and that seemed to be the dwindling figures watching it. Part of the reason for this seemed to be Mick Aston leaving in a grump, but the main reason was the insistence of the producers in making the 'cast' dress up in stuff and do experimental archaeology. The conclusion was that the show should have gone back to digging things up and showing people what they'd dug up and what it meant rather than descending into street panto. I have to say I agreed pretty much, that and I find Tony Robinson a bit irritating, but I'll let that go. <br /><br />I'm outside archaeology too or sort of straddling the border between outside, with a foot in community archaeology and that small amount of knowledge that's dangerous...<br /><br />I'll leave that there I think.Nickhttp://www.invisibleworks.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4648435619736920024.post-43677505828745824442015-01-15T10:35:08.083+00:002015-01-15T10:35:08.083+00:00Hi, this is a really interesting piece, and I find...Hi, this is a really interesting piece, and I find it thrilling and terrifying to see how clearly the divisions within Public Archaeology are visible to The Public (hello The Public! How you doing?). I’m a public archaeologist who teaches other people how to be public archaeologists, so I feel like I’ve got a stake here. You raise a couple of fundamental points in this and your follow-up piece, and I want to respond.<br />First, you are right to suspect that public archaeologists know next to nothing about the public as anything other than a blob. This is a failure of research: the last UK-wide survey of public attitudes to archaeology was done in 1986. We know very little about what people outside the profession want from archaeology, what their interests and priorities are. Crudely speaking, this is a failure of market research. Our failure.<br />Second, you are right that many archaeologists – including some who do community archaeology – are nervous and suspicious of the public. Partly this is because public archaeology is still viewed by some firms/museums/academics as a box to tick, so people get pushed into it sometimes reluctantly and often without being trained. In short, the people you heard in the pub were probably working a little outside their comfort zone and skill-set, hence their nervousness. Cut them a bit of slack – they meant well. Probably. <br />On the other hand, there’s a control-freak tendency within public archaeology that drives me nuts. I heard an American pubarch talk about the “failure” of her project, because the participants returned to the site after the project ended and KEPT DIGGING WITHOUT PROFESSIONAL SUPERVISION. I pointed out that OMG you empowered them AND you inspired them what a DISASTER, but she really really didn’t get it. Again, fuck that.<br />My own public archaeology is inspired by public historians and public scientists. Public history comes out of Marxist history and the History Workshop movement with its belief that people should “dig where they stand” and write their own histories of their communities, workplaces, schools, families and lives. <br />Public science is interesting because it includes people at the top of their game – Carl Sagan, Richard Dawkins (I know, I know), JBS Haldane and others who believed in sharing their work. Like Carl Sagan said, “when you’re in love you want to tell the world”. Public attitudes to science are studied in the UK with massive national-scale surveys every couple of years, that effect science policy and education. Oh if only we had this for archaeology… <br />You say that public archaeologists should be facilitators for the public’s engagements with the past. Yes, yes and yes. I have an analogy I use in teaching public archaeology. It’s based on the idea that most people are like Victorian antiquarians: they want a little local history, a bit of genealogy, a spot of archaeology, they might want to collect antiques, do a bit of metal detecting, visit a cathedral or castle, and watch Time Team. So my analogy: archaeologists bring one dish to the antiquarian pot-luck, and if our offering is good, people (the pot-luck public) will take a bit of archaeology potato salad to go with the local history hotdog and the genealogy… er… whatever, you get the point. But if you bring a bland, meagre dish to a pot-luck and demand that people ONLY eat your crappy food, and eat ALL of it, and use their fork properly, then you’re an arsehole and won’t get invited back. This is a common public archaeology fail, as you saw. <br />So, to wrap us this over-long comment: public archaeology is a small, chaotic and diverse thing, and we’re still learning. We have known unknowns (i.e. we know that we know next to sod all about the public) but we’re working on it. So any so-called public archaeologist who doesn’t listen when the public speaks is a fucking idiot, and I’m going to be thinking about what you wrote and sharing it with my students, in particular the idea that we should be facilitators not gatekeepers. Thanks.Gabe Moshenska (@gabemoshenska)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4648435619736920024.post-91507275482648477812015-01-07T20:28:42.677+00:002015-01-07T20:28:42.677+00:00Hi James, thanks for taking the time to read and c...Hi James, thanks for taking the time to read and comment - proving rather neatly that there *are* Public Archaeologists who want to bring archaeology out into the world for everyone to enjoy!<br /><br />I've been reading about your project recently, and I think it has great potential to get to people who may otherwise feel somehow excluded from what they mistakenly think is not for them. Despite being a relative newcomer to community archaeology, I've seen how it can transform peoples lives, including mine. I've also seen how there is huge potential for ordinary people who have no formal training or qualifications to engage in meaningful archaeological work through the Norfolk Medieval Graffiti Survey, and how valued that contribution is. The potential offered by non-archaeologists is huge, and I very much hope your project can help to shift their perception of what archaeology is, and what they can offer to it.<br /><br />Thank you again, for getting in touch - and I'm very much looking forward to following the project. Maybe even getting involved myself...Put Up With Rainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02293737831040832903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4648435619736920024.post-33542901967181980972015-01-07T18:46:21.754+00:002015-01-07T18:46:21.754+00:00Hello Jess,
I really enjoyed your post. The issue...Hello Jess,<br /><br />I really enjoyed your post. The issue you raise is central to all attempts of groups of people to connect with people who aren't them. I'll start off widely then come to archaeology in my response!<br /><br />I was once at an academic workshop on 'public engagement' with science where one of the participants snuck back into the room during a coffee break and wrote 'Sod The Public!' on the board. She meant, as you do, that the discussion was unhelpfully focusing on an anonymous mass rather than groups of individual people. The sentiment is absolutely right and I think anyone who goes down that route is unlikely to create anything of much importance and, as you point out, can end up insulting people. My PhD was based around investigating the connections between people and 'public art', so I'm well aware of how much people hate being told what to do and what to like. The fact that the vast majority of big money 'public art' pieces are ignored post-installation while the more relevant, informal stuff that people tend to identify with is driven underground (and called 'illegal') speaks volumes.<br /><br />With the PublicArchaeology2015 project, of which I think you’re aware, we are, despite the name, addressing just the point you raise. The project is based around the assertion that public archaeology must at least allow the possibility for non-archaeologists to do archaeology, without archaeological supervision (to avoid angering colleagues, I’ll point out that archaeology takes many forms and I’m not talking about digging holes in things willy nilly). The project will see six archaeologists and six non-archaeologists creating their own archaeology projects centred on engaging people other than themselves with archaeological themes. Each will do it differently and we will see twelve very different takes on what ‘public’ ‘archaeology’ and ‘engagement’ mean over the year. One thing we won’t be doing is bringing it all together with any unified conclusions. Each bit of engagement will be left to stand for itself, having either worked or not. In that sense, the public of each mini-project will be the individual humans who take part in it and in some cases the project will have no (formally defined) archaeologists directly involved at all. I think it is moving things in an interesting and useful direction and I hope you have time to give your opinion over the course of the year. <br /><br />Just to address the wider perspective again, you ask “Do we have Public Historians? Public Gardeners? Public Geographers? Public Chemists?” I think we do and I think parts of each of those disciplines discuss ‘the public’ in exactly the unhelpful way you identify, they just don’t do it in the open and what we see, despite the absence of the p-word in their output, is their assumption of what we want or need to see. Public Archaeology, for all its flaws is, I think, generally reflexive and open to debate.<br /><br />Hope that makes sense! I look forward to continuing the discussion and am glad to have made contact.<br /><br />James Dixon (@James__Dixon)<br />James Dixonhttp://jamesdixonarchaeology.comnoreply@blogger.com